tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post3941643246388317727..comments2023-11-26T13:37:42.402+00:00Comments on Dale 'Daleroxxu' Philip: 49 player Chinese cheating scandal on PokerStars Double or Nothing SNGsDaleroxxuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15212011398384950936noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-34890978278056569172014-07-19T20:14:27.099+01:002014-07-19T20:14:27.099+01:00So, the problem is how do you control an environme...So, the problem is how do you control an environment whereas at any given time you have more than a hundred thousand players of various skill levels spread out throughout the planet...<br />Surely anyone can imagine the scope of the task, but more importantly, how do you overcome such an obstacle.<br />Many insiders believe that if on-line poker is to survive it will have to be compartmentalized into geographical regions and in fact the process has already begun. In Canada, provincial governments are racing to bring on-line their own virtual poker rooms, with some already operating, and the same is likely contemplated in the United States, and right now, states like Montana have opened their borders to international operators allowing their citizens to play for real money on-line.<br /><br />Some in the poker community believe that such a scenario is evidence of the failure of companies like Pokerstars, to invest necessary capital in their departments of game integrity. Some go as far of accusing operators of being too greedy, benefiting from greater opportunities of profits at the expense of some players and the integrity of the game. <br /><br />Ironically, on line operators have been operating with an unfair advantage against their brick and mortar counterparts ever since the inception of on line poker games and, the most significant of these advantages is that they never had to invest the same percentages of capital in game integrity that regulated brick and mortar competitors have had too. <br />Just look at how a game is managed in a casino for example, if you have ten tables in the room you'll have at least twenty individuals employed by the house to run the game. <br />Now take Pokerstars for instance and their 10,000 plus table running at any given time, transferring the average amount of casino employees per the ten table scheme, Pokerstars would need as much as 20,000 people working the virtual room... Thats not including client support or the cashiers and the support staff to run such a poker environment.<br />Take out dealers and your are still left with a hefty number of employees. <br />Now considering rake for rake between a casino operation and on-line operations and the margins are phenomenal for companies like Pokerstars.<br /><br />And that is where the argument is born that on line poker operators have an unfair advantage over brick and mortar operations.<br /><br />Many on line operators are not willing to forgo profits and invest in game integrity like brick and mortar operators have to. For obvious reasons and because of that, players and the game suffer.<br />When I started my research my goal was to leave the game the way it is as much as possible, I also understood that convincing operators to separate themselves from their money for the sake of the game was almost a pipe dream. <br /><br />As it stands, the international game of poker is all but dying slowly as a result mostly of a lack of commitment by its operators to share in the industry growth and wealth. The credibility of pioneers such as Isai Scheinberg slowly eroding leaving some to believe that the sale of Pokerstars is but a cash grab just before someone realizes that the boat is taking water.<br /><br />The only way the industry will survive and flourish, is if the major operators commit significantly more financial resources to protecting the game from cheaters, but until then, you can rest assure that there is more money for operators in having cheaters participate in the game.<br />Daniel M. Deilgathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05668545336645904766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-36435724722181955702014-07-19T20:13:51.513+01:002014-07-19T20:13:51.513+01:00I am trying to define if online poker is a viable ...I am trying to define if online poker is a viable and legitimate form of risk for the investment community and of course, its regulators.<br /><br />Frankly at the onset I was getting a lot of flack, my credibility- while intact, was definitely in play, you could say that I was put all-in...<br /><br />Then, Amaya bought Pokerstars and FullTilt, and they did so with the financial backing of one of the most significant players on Wall Street, The Black Stone Group. Black Stone has a who's who of Directors on its Board including former Prime Minister of Canada, The Right Honourable Brian Martin Mulroney.<br />That transaction has sent an unconventional message to the investment community that the main stream media hasn't yet picked up on and that is, forget about what is legal now, lets fight and make it legal...<br /><br />What is rather strange about such an envious approach is that, usually, there is no money on the front end of a fight against governments and regulators. Moreover, the industry has yet to establish their control over the environment where they invite players to play, and that's a serious hurdle. <br /><br />In the investment and legal business this is called throwing good money after bad.<br /><br />As far as the Pokerstars players are concerned my opinion is this, Pokerstars is the equivalent of the kid in school that always has its lunch money stolen, let me explain. Pokerstars is too honest for its own good. While this might seem like a positive, it carries a serious problem on both end of the spectrum. On the one side they seem to be paying money back to people that have predatorial goals to begin seeking out players with lesser skills, with and on the back end of these good intentions, Pokerstars becomes unusually vulnerable to negative publicity, and all of you know that the more something is repeated the likelier it will be perceived as the truth.<br /><br />Its a lose/lose situation for the likes of Pokerstars.<br />Daniel M. Deilgathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05668545336645904766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-64277069351542892912014-06-17T00:54:06.798+01:002014-06-17T00:54:06.798+01:00online poker, people have been and continue to be ...online poker, people have been and continue to be cheated. my god, full tilt stole millions and people are still discussing what to do. players have no idea what goes on and with millions in cyberspace people will continue to steal millions from kids in pursuit of pipe dreams, the poker world community is filled with so many dirt bags I have no idea what the attraction is. money is needed in life but only a part of it. To spend days on end with scumbags? you can keep the money there are other ways to make money. you will never hear about or see the faces you see in poker now, not because they lost the edge to young ones it is because they realized there is more to life and the vast majority eventually went broke anywayAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16529565704467931234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-21162513822768211632013-08-03T16:33:37.596+01:002013-08-03T16:33:37.596+01:00Now the same is happening in Fifty50.
A group of R...Now the same is happening in Fifty50.<br />A group of Russian and Ukrain players are doing the same.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12239675955439031529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-25512794231293714742010-09-26T22:09:01.269+01:002010-09-26T22:09:01.269+01:00Excellent Post! Thank you for the information. I t...Excellent Post! Thank you for the information. I too have been a victim of many SnG's where the Chinese are dumping chips or collaborating with one another. I have lost a total of $4500 on PokerStars over the course of two years. Crazy thing is, I am a pretty decent player. I kill'em at the casino's, yet I constantly lose on the Internet? <br /><br />Yet out of all my losses, PokerStars has only refunded me [on two occasions] a total of $38.<br /><br />I really enjoy poker, but I cannot play on a site that does not protect my safety and security [regarding my money].Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-16540551455616663172010-09-23T04:06:11.802+01:002010-09-23T04:06:11.802+01:00I also experienced check fold situation. hpw to p...I also experienced check fold situation. hpw to prevent thist ? going to other sites or other games?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09065126294120514576noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-33165940772299491782010-09-12T11:05:45.822+01:002010-09-12T11:05:45.822+01:00http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11250835http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11250835Fred Johnsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10861208841300292798noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-48261466529832384152010-09-01T15:59:01.101+01:002010-09-01T15:59:01.101+01:00Hi Dale.. I'm unable to send PMs over there du...Hi Dale.. I'm unable to send PMs over there due to zero post history... is there anyway you could send me an email and we could do a written interview via email? I'm on fivesmail.... with the username dhubermex.<br /><br />If that won't work I'll try some other way to get in touch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-31773924733678589062010-08-30T17:35:06.333+01:002010-08-30T17:35:06.333+01:00i might be David but i'm quite pretty busy, ca...i might be David but i'm quite pretty busy, can u pm me on 2p2 with more info / to arrange?<br /><br />also, check out podcast interview i did with irish poker radio about this, was recorded just after the story broke in may<br /><a href="http://www.irishpokerradio.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=118" rel="nofollow">Irish Poker Radio Ep 48</a><br />... its at 40 minutes in.Daleroxxuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212011398384950936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-79553933576841173642010-08-30T17:15:36.390+01:002010-08-30T17:15:36.390+01:00Dale,
Would you be available for an interview in ...Dale,<br /><br />Would you be available for an interview in upcoming days regarding this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-63136732875951738972010-08-11T06:47:55.867+01:002010-08-11T06:47:55.867+01:00Dale,
Anymore news?
Also is it possible that since...Dale,<br />Anymore news?<br />Also is it possible that since the DONs are so full of colluders PS uses them like an ant trap?Kentucky Gaminghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01297678513746445169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-87251244960742695062010-07-19T22:43:21.701+01:002010-07-19T22:43:21.701+01:00yes, i will write an update in a few daysyes, i will write an update in a few daysDaleroxxuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212011398384950936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-2482151002313872242010-07-19T22:34:31.774+01:002010-07-19T22:34:31.774+01:00Has anyone received a substantial refund yet?Has anyone received a substantial refund yet?Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09374650399393898723noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-51777333860029078022010-07-19T21:36:21.807+01:002010-07-19T21:36:21.807+01:00the pics are "WOW gold farmers"the pics are "WOW gold farmers"Daleroxxuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212011398384950936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-48279448917553475482010-07-19T18:13:30.482+01:002010-07-19T18:13:30.482+01:00dude where did u get those pics from???? lol Are t...dude where did u get those pics from???? lol Are they real or some joke? :)DMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00828643163373037317noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-8617417153592051672010-07-13T00:15:57.210+01:002010-07-13T00:15:57.210+01:00forgot to thank... Daleroxxu
great work ... big a...forgot to thank... Daleroxxu<br /><br />great work ... big applause to u :))mukulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05729975932108445721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-28815126202880830172010-07-10T19:26:24.278+01:002010-07-10T19:26:24.278+01:00it effect most to ur sentiments....
u looses faith...it effect most to ur sentiments....<br />u looses faith in urself..ur game....<br />i dont its true in my case or not...but i m not comming back to pokerworld again lost a lot of money..more than 15K USD..<br /><br />can pokerstars refund my faith in poker?????? imposiblemukulhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05729975932108445721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-8447168732278896332010-06-23T23:21:10.576+01:002010-06-23T23:21:10.576+01:00Thank you, Dale, for all your efforts. I was play...Thank you, Dale, for all your efforts. I was playing during that time, DoNs, and lost big time. All I got back was $50 along with a note from Poker Stars, and I know I played with those scumbags. I was one of those who gave up after losing so many times. Just couldn't figure out why I had gotten so bad. Now I know, and am sick about it. Pitstop1099Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02573450421981857474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-32411712442070616382010-06-13T06:37:09.143+01:002010-06-13T06:37:09.143+01:00Dale,
This is unbeleivable. I remember the majori...Dale,<br /><br />This is unbeleivable. I remember the majority of these players, and so much suspect play. I reported a few of them in the past for suspected collusion. I only play 5-7 tables so i can recognize alot of the crap that goes on. Guys like you and jph would have a tough time recognizing it Multitabling like you do. <br />Anyway Ive reported 6-7 spanish players within the last 30 days (nothing against Spain, it just so happens they were all spanish players) and all were found to be colluding and booted.<br /><br />And your other commentors are correct, the damage by this goes way beyond just the money they cheated. It affects players more than just the buy-ins they lose, but anyway nice going on this info.drkalfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13727545409957931059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-29841582686594920562010-06-08T20:53:12.948+01:002010-06-08T20:53:12.948+01:00I think Poker Stars should over-compensate you for...I think Poker Stars should over-compensate you for this, as well as add you to their security team.Turtleknifehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01188243663380941702noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-85486969934155779972010-06-07T06:56:39.041+01:002010-06-07T06:56:39.041+01:00Hey daleroxxu,
thank you very much for your inves...Hey daleroxxu,<br /><br />thank you very much for your investigation in this scandal, unfortunately I am a victim of this frustrating collusion ring too. <br /><br />Like flopp_deuces I was also in health problems and erratic mood swings at these time because there was no chance to make money from the DONs. <br />Before I was winning player on DONs, on other PokerNetworks and also in the beginnings when they were introduced on Pokerstars. Unfortunately I had shipped some money from other Networks to Stars when the collusion ring was introduced, to play some higher SNGs. Because normally I dont play the "High Stakes SNGs". I prefer 10s and 20s. So give a try for some k SNGs in the high stakes and yeehaaa Chinese Collusion screws your bankroll on stars to approximately zero. I can very good remember that in nearly every of my SNG that I have played at this time one or more of those names were involved in my games.<br /><br />Especially chenxr, Lazzzzzzzy, gucci53, Xuanyu.L, and this fxxked up scumbag Sishun are so fucking branded in my braincells. Guys, if you read this, your karma is so fxxked up, I am pretty sure that all of this will come back to you guys.<br /><br />Anyways, I am hoping that stars had frozen all of their bankrolls and we will have a refund.<br /><br />PokerProjectsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-5816544965236467592010-06-05T14:24:38.415+01:002010-06-05T14:24:38.415+01:00Great blog post Daleroxxu :) and yes it is scary s...Great blog post Daleroxxu :) and yes it is scary stuff <br /><br />Makes you think its only the tip of the iceberg stuff and that the problems are well rooted.<br /><br />Again about stars' image, if there security seeks out mass scale cheating surely its easier for them to say nothing and protect there precious image and hope no-one cottons on, Maybe that's where there priorities lie.<br /><br />I would prefer to hear story's about these cheats getting caught and prosecuted form stars, make them public and try to assure us that there doing all they can, and more, not sweep them under the carpet and pay people off to keep sch-tum !!!CanOnlyGetBetterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12763855406441105122noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-36692901399309220532010-06-04T13:18:23.853+01:002010-06-04T13:18:23.853+01:00SUPERB POST MATE
WE HAVE FEATURED IT AT NPF TO TR...SUPERB POST MATE<br /><br />WE HAVE FEATURED IT AT NPF TO TRY AND MAKE AS MANY PLAYERS AWARE OF THIS PROBLEM WHICH I BELIEVE WILL ONLY GET WORSE<br /><br />NPF = Newcastle Poker ForumTEAMDOBBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17333486327647916695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-36641883303478111942010-06-02T23:26:17.588+01:002010-06-02T23:26:17.588+01:00the answer to your question is in the blog post :P...the answer to your question is in the blog post :PDaleroxxuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15212011398384950936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7135310409069979080.post-44997720539539247442010-06-02T21:34:56.290+01:002010-06-02T21:34:56.290+01:00I went with the assumption that they would be chea...I went with the assumption that they would be cheating most of the time so if there's one at your table there's likely another.<br /><br />Did you find a lot of instances where you only played against one of the players named? If so, it might be worth reviewing those games for any cheaters that might have been missed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com